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Austin Bay Blog » A combat engineer looks at the bomb attack on the Shia mosque in Samarra

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2/23/2006

A combat engineer looks at the bomb attack on the Shia mosque in Samarra

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“Sapper” is a long time friend. He is a Vietnam vet (combat engineers). He also served in the US Army Reserves for over thirty years. He is a civil engineer, by trade.

The following is his analysis of the terror bomb attack on the Askariya Shrine in Samarra. Understand that his analysis is informed speculation, but speculation by a man who knows how to build buildings as well as destroy them.

Sapper sends:

I have been asked if I think this attack in Iraq was an “a quick in and out raid,” (a target of opportunity attack) or did the operation (placing the explosives) take some time to carry out?

Caveats for all who read this. Caveats abound. Here are the important ones. I have only seen to press photographs of the Askariya Shrine.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0223/p01s02-woiq.html

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http://smh.com.au/news/world/shrine-bombing-sunnis-give-a-lesson-in-how-to-s
tart-a-civil-war/2006/02/23/1140670212254.html

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/23/iraq.main/index.html

I have been out of the active combat engineer business for a couple of years and am relying on my memory and a dogged ear copy of my Junior Woodchuck Manual (FM 5-34) which addresses only the simplest of battle field demolition operations.

The construction of the shrine (as determined by an excellent reference librarian) is as follows:

Construction material was “baked brick” covered with gold-plated masonry tiles. The shrine was first built in the 9th century and had major renovations in the 11th and 12 centuries, but seems to have little to no significant modifications since then. This would make the bricks a baked red clay with nominal dimensions of 10×35x35 cm (typical size from archaeological reports of similar area and time). Mortar (if any) is unknown, but is most likely alabaster based plaster (same sources). The domes at Najaf and Karbala are described as being of similar construction.

If so, the walls are (nominally) 2.5 to 3 meters thick near the base. All information (except the circumference) should be considered estimates based on inferences - none of the sources that were definitive were fully trustworthy (and often conflicted), and the trustworthy sources weren’t definitive (but helped indicate which definitives were probably closer to the mark).

I do not have access to an aerial photograph to better evaluate the blast pattern. So the following is my best guess (another caveat).

My best guess from the review of the photos and with some help from an OSHA Inspector with experience in Accident investigation/reconstruction is that the explosion took place about 1/2 up the dome. The bricks in this area may have been only one or two thick. Without a view of the interior of the Shrine there is a lot left to conjecture. The amount of explosive required at any one point to do the damage would not be that great about ten pounds as an off hand guess based upon a quick glance at Junior Woodchuck Manual (FM 5-34), the demolitions section. Placed around the circumference at say twenty separate points would add up to a total of 200 pounds of TNT. Using C4 or an equivalent would decrease this by a factor 1.34.

A question posed is, was this a quick in and out job or would it have taken some time to plant the charges. My guess is that it probably took some time to plant the charges. The charges would have to be taken into the building placed at a point some distance up in the structure of the dome itself. With only people power to move the stuff up there, place the charges and rig the ignition circuits I would tend to believe this was an operation covering three to five hours, not just a quick in and out raid.

Sapper’s analysis suggests the terrorists had access to the mosque. Only careful investigation will determine what kind of explosives were used and how they were emplaced.

The article in the Christian Science Monitor beneath the photo Sapper refers to is excellent.

UPDATE: See comments for Sapper’s additional thoughts. Also, powerline posts two translated reports from Iraq’s Arabic press on Iraqi attempts to quell sectarian violence.

UPDATE 2: After seeing another photo of the inside of the mosque, Sapper adds some other thoughts:

Please remember: we are working with press photos and media reports, and I am not on the scene. Please keep that in mind as you read the following. I certainly make no claim for great exactitude in putting this together. This is my best guess based on experience. Appropriate weasel words apply.

There is some indication that there was a crawl space between the tiles and the supporting masonry dome. That may have been where the charges were placed.

There is a point at which the amount of demo required no longer impacts the time to do the work. If you are placing 20 charges around the dome, once the weight of these charges get down to a weight easily carried by one person, then the determining factors are the travel time from the truck with the explosives up to the crawl space and back down again– and the number of people available.

If my SWAG is correct about 10 pounds TNT to do the damage, spaced out at twenty spots around the dome, say one guy could easily carry 60 pounds up the stairs and into the crawl space, round it down to 50 for ease of calculations. Once could guess ( another weasel words, yes, I use them promiscuously) a team of ten to carry the demo and maybe two more to rig the ignition circuits back to one spot. I’ll leave speculation as to the make up of the rest of the force to others. The above reasoning does indicate there is a possibility that it could have been carried out in a few hours. But these are guesses, just guesses.

Sapper commanded a Hurricane Mitch relief operation I served with in 1999. Our task force deployed to Guatemala. An earthquake struck the city where we were deployed (hurricane, earthquake– welcome to Central America). The operational commander suddenly became the chief structural analyst in the area. The Guatemaltecans had him inspect the local hospital and other key facilities. As he notes, first-hand inspection and careful investigation will be determinative.

12 Comments »

  1. If he had read the article he referenced, he’d know that the dome was built in 1905. ED NOTE: He did read it. He focused on the masonry. But thanks for the comment. Apparently there were renovations in 1905. He may add additional thoughts tomorrow and clarify.

    Comment by KBK — 2/23/2006 @ 8:10 pm

  2. See All the King’s Horses

    Comment by pbswatcher — 2/23/2006 @ 10:09 pm

  3. An act of terror at the Shiite Mosque where the 12th Imam is supposed to reappear. The President of Iran is said to believe that the 12th Imam will show up sometime in the next two years, following a period of strife — which some think he may not be above fomenting. The the expected Shiite reprisals against Sunnis are led by al Sadr’s militia. al Sadr is widely believed to be Iran’s man in Iraq. And now it appears that the saboteurs would have needed access to the mosque and three to five hours to do their thing. We may not have a smoking gun here, but this incidend is beginning to take on the smell of a Reichstag fire — with Iranian finger prints on the match book.

    Comment by Paul Danish — 2/24/2006 @ 1:19 am

  4. I thank the reader for bringing up this point. The information in the CSM artilce says “Though the shrine dates back 1,000 years, it has been rebuilt numerous times. Its current dome was built in 1905.” We are still faced with the issue of trying to analyse an event through a photos and press reports. For example, the statement about the dome leaves it open to question was this just the gold leaf tiles that were applied over an existing dome, or was an entirely new dome constructed then the times applied? With the information available we just don’t know. It is a fairly safe assumption that construction methods stayed fairly constant in Iraq over the years up through 1905. It had worked in the psat and there was no driving force to bring about change in construction methods. For a moment assume that the folks in 1905 used more modern construction methods. There is still a good chance that the dome would have been of brick masonry construction. The final result would be the same.

    Comment by Sapper — 2/24/2006 @ 5:33 am

  5. as a former marine e.o.d. tech i have to agree. either this was done with well placed charges by someone who had planned it well in advance or it was done with a huge amount of explosives sufficiently tamped. either one owould have taken quite a bit of time.

    Comment by jeff pendleton — 2/24/2006 @ 8:36 am

  6. See American Spectator Blog 2/23/06…… IRAN ATTACK’S.

    Comment by Intensive Care — 2/24/2006 @ 8:49 am

  7. My first reaction to news of the blast was that it was an inside job by al Sadr. His huge militia is supposed to be guarding the Shia shrines. Shia leaders immediately called for a bigger role for militias because the gov’t didn’t protect the mosque. Only al Sadr, Iran, and Al Queda profit from a civil war. Al Queda would be strangers at the shrine and unlikely to gain entrance through militia ranks, especially carrying explosives and getting the time needed to place explosives half way up the structure. I suspect this is already being discussed in the cafes of Bagdad, where nothing is ever taken seriously at face value. The sun rising in the east could possibly be a Zionist plot.

    Comment by Gary Ogletree — 2/24/2006 @ 10:13 am

  8. Judging by the photos in various news media, there seem to be rebars sticking out of the wreckage. If that’s what they are, then the dome would be even stronger than unreinforced masonry and even harder to destroy. Looks like an inside job to me. Sapper made a good point.

    Comment by Jim Castro — 2/24/2006 @ 1:26 pm

  9. If this should turn out to have been done by Al-Sadr, it will once again prove that being a nice guy in war will come back to bite you. We had the chance to take out him and his militia, but we backed off so as not to offend someone. When you get the bad guy down, kick him again and shoot him to make sure!

    Comment by Grant — 2/24/2006 @ 1:59 pm

  10. #3 Paul Danish notes that the blast occurs at the place where the 12th Imam is supposed to reappear. I could be wrong, but I believe the Iranians think he’ll appear at a well in the city of Qom. How to resolve this conflict? Ooops, no shrine left, I guess the Imam must be headed to the well. (Further indications of Iranian fingerprints.)

    Comment by Rick — 2/24/2006 @ 2:47 pm

  11. #3 Paul Danish notes that the Iraqi Shiites expect the 12th Imam to appear at this mosque, and notes Iranian interest in the return of the 12th Imam. Note also that the Iranians believe the 12th Imam will reappear at a well in their city of Qom. Destruction of the Iraqi shrine would make it seem more logical to believe the Imam is headed to the well, which could possibly strengthen ties between the Iraqi Shiites and Iran. This seems to be further indication of Iranian fingerprints in the job.

    Comment by Rick — 2/24/2006 @ 2:52 pm

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