UPDATED: The Press’ Abu Ghraib: Newsweek Apologizes, After 15 People Are Dead
History may see Newsweek’s fatal “Koran flushing” story as the US press’ Abu Ghraib.
Under any circumstances, Newsweek’s flagrant, tragic error is an error a long-time-coming. The magazine’s “apology” doesn’t begin to account for the damage. [The apology appears at the end of this post. Call the mea culpa “News Weak.”]
Several other websites have covered the issue of anonymous and “single sourced” allegations. (See Powerline’s take here and here. Roger L. Simon says there’s no business like source business. Michelle Malkin covers the story with “Newsweek Lied, People Died.”)
The sin of greed always seems to creep into every scandal and it’s certainly lurking in this tragic incident. Newsweek wants market share, and a scoop grabs readers. But profit generated by a frantic “me first” quest isn’t the only motive. The “Vietnam-Watergate” motive’s also in play. That’s a tired and dirty game but for three decades it’s been a successful ploy for the New York-Washington-LA media axis. It’s rules are simple. Presume the government is lying– always make that presumption, particularly when the president is a Republican. Presume the worst about the US military– always make that presumption, even when the president is a Democrat. Add multi-cultural icing– the complaints and allegations of “Third World victims” are given revered status, the statements of US and US-allied nations met with cynical doubt and arrogant contempt. (Yes, the myth of the Noble Savage re-cast.)
But why might this be the press’ Abu Ghraib? Here’s the connection: globe-girdling technology has once again amplified foolish behavior, lack of professionalism, and disregard for consequences into a tragedy. Consider Abu Ghraib, without the fevered hyperbole of The Nation or The Guardian. The behavior of US troops at the prison was inexcuseable –frat rat hazing, trailer trash porn, street punk threat taken up ten quanta to felony prisoner abuse. But dump the hyperbole and call Abu Ghraib what it was: rank felony abuse, not deadly torture. The global dissemination of Lynndie England’s dog leash photos, etc., (and magnification of the abuse by anti-American critics) made Abu Ghraib the political and historical scar it is. The US soldiers committed a crime, but information technology made the crime an international fiasco. When evaluating early investigations into Abu Ghraib Don Rumsfeld and his cohort of advisers –techno whizzes that they supposedly are– were operating with a 1970s information template.To Don Rumsfeld “pictures” meant a snapshot on a piece of paper marked “Kodak”– he didn’t realize his 20-year-old troops take photos with electronic cameras and “print” them in digital pixels. Anyone with teenagers or a ten year-old with a photo-cell phone knows your navel can be an international sensation in two minutes.
To a degree Newsweek is operating on a “paper template” where the editors and reporters believe the story they “print” shows up in mailboxes or on a magazine rack. In this “template” a phony press allegation remains “local” or US-bound. But there is no “over there” in our world, not anymore. We live in a world where everyone is — in terms of information– next door. Technological compression is the term I coined to describe the situation. Some slip-ups merely damage reputations– Dan Rather and Eason Jordan come to mind. World War Two vets know “loose lips sink ships.” Today, loose (computer) disks can sink ships, but loosey-goosey allegations can lead to riot and death.
Here’s a quote from a column that ran in January 2005:
Technological compression is a fact of 21st century existence — and it is the superglue now bonding American foreign policy idealism (promoting democracy) and foreign policy pragmatism (survival via realpolitik).
An article of mine in The Weekly Standard’s Jan. 3, 2005, issue frames it this way: “Technology has compressed the planet, with positive effects in communication, trade and transportation; with horrifyingly negative effects in weaponry. Decades ago, radio, phone cables on the seabed, long-range aircraft and then nuclear weapons shrunk the oceans. Sept. 11 demonstrated that religious killers could turn domestic jumbo jets into strategic bombers — and the oceans were no obstacles. ‘Technological compression’ is a fact; it cannot be reversed. To deny it or ignore it has deadly consequences.”
Translation: There is no “over there.” Everybody lives next door. All local gossip can become international rumor in an instant. With weapons of mass destruction in the mix — particularly if biological or nuclear weapons are employed — a tribal war in Saudi Arabia or a border firefight in Asia can rapidly escalate to global disaster.
Newsweek’s “local gossip” has led to deadly riots– and another huge crack in the NY-DC-LA media axis.
For background here’s the Washington Post’s story.
The Post report also summarizes the incident:
Newsweek magazine has apologized for errors in a story alleging that interrogators at the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay desecrated the Koran, saying it would re-examine the accusations, which sparked outrage and deadly protests in Afghanistan.
Fifteen people died and scores were injured in violence between protesters and security forces, prompting U.S. promises to investigate the allegations.
Pakistani lawmaker and the chief of a coalition of radical Islamic groups, Qazi Hussain Ahmed gestures during a press conference in Islamabad, Pakistan, Sunday, May 15, 2005. Islamic groups in Pakistan, Egypt, Malaysia, Britain and Turkey will hold rallies later this month in coordinated international protests against the alleged desecration of Islam’s holy book Quran at the United States prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Ahmed said. (AP Photo/Anjum Naveed) (Anjum Naveed - AP)
“We regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst,” Newsweek Editor Mark Whitaker wrote in a note to readers.In an issue dated May 9, the magazine reported that U.S. military investigators had found evidence that interrogators placed copies of Islam’s holy book in washrooms and had flushed one down the toilet to get inmates to talk.
Whitaker wrote that the magazine’s information came from “a knowledgeable U.S. government source,” and before publishing the item, writers Michael Isikoff and John Barry sought comment from two Defense Department officials. One declined to respond, and the other challenged another part of the story but did not dispute the Quran charge, Whitaker said.
But on Friday, a top Pentagon spokesman told the magazine that a review of the military’s investigation concluded “it was never meant to look into charges of Quran desecration. The spokesman also said the Pentagon had investigated other desecration charges by detainees and found them ‘not credible.’”
Also, Whitaker added, the magazine’s original source later said he could not be sure he read about the alleged Quran incident in the report Newsweek cited, and that it might have been in another document.
Here’s The Arab News (Saudi) demanding a US apology– an apology for a religious sacrilege that didn’t occur:
JEDDAH, 16 May 2005 — The 150-member Shoura Council yesterday strongly condemned the reported desecration of the Holy Qur’an at the hands of US officials at Guantanamo Bay and asked the United States, if the incident was true, to apologize in order to avoid hatred and violence.
The Shoura urged the US authorities to launch a prompt investigation into a May 9 Newsweek magazine report that investigators probing abuses at the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay found that interrogators had desecrated the Qur’an to rattle Muslim prisoners.
“If the report proved true, it would become important that an apology be issued and addressed to Muslims all over the world to avoid increasing the hatred between nations and followers of religious faiths as well,” the Shoura said in a statement.
The Shoura said it considered the incident an attack on Muslims all over the world. “The council considers it as an attack on the feelings of Muslims and their sanctity… and a violation of international law and human customs,” said the statement carried by the Saudi Press Agency…
The Arab News adds this:
In Afghanistan, a group of clerics threatened to call for a holy war against the United States in three days unless it handed over military interrogators who are reported to have desecrated the Qur’an.
The warning came after 16 Afghans were killed and more than 100 hurt last week in the worst anti-US protests across the country since US forces invaded in 2001 to oust the Taleban for sheltering Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network.
The clerics in the northeastern province of Badakhshan said they wanted US President George W. Bush to handle the matter honestly “and hand the culprits over to an Islamic country for punishment”.
The LA Times goes with an AP report:
Muslims in Afghanistan gave Washington three days to offer a response to a Newsweek story that claimed the Islamic holy book was desecrated at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, but the magazine apologized Sunday for the report, which prompted deadly riots across Afghanistan last week.
Reaction across the Islamic world has been strong, with daily demonstrations since the May 9 story came out. At least 15 people died in Afghanistan after protests broke out Tuesday following the report that interrogators at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, placed Qurans in washrooms to unsettle suspects, and in one case “flushed a holy book down the toilet.”
Many of the 520 inmates at Guantanamo are Muslims arrested during the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan. In both Afghanistan and Pakistan, insults to the Quran and Islam’s prophet, Muhammad, are regarded as blasphemy and punishable by death.
“The American soldiers are known for disrespect to other religions. They do not take care of the sanctity of other religions,” Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the Pakistani chief of a coalition of radical Islamic groups, said Sunday.
Ahmed’s comments came a day after Pakistan’s President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, both allies of Washington, demanded an investigation and punishment for those behind the reported desecration of the Quran.
In Afghanistan, Islamic scholars and tribal elders called for the punishment of anyone found to have abused the Quran, said Maulawi Abdul Wali Arshad, head of the religious affairs department in Badakhshan province.
Arshad and the provincial police chief said the scholars met in Faizabad, 310 miles northeast of the capital, Kabul, and demanded a “reaction” from U.S. authorities within three days.
But Newsweek apologized in an editor’s note for Monday’s edition and said they were re-examining the allegations.
“We regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst,” Newsweek Editor Mark Whitaker wrote.
The London Times On-Line goes with a much stiffer headline, “Incendiary Koran claim may be false, editor admits”– and the London Times backs it up with a tough story :
THE incendiary account of US interrogators flushing a copy of the Koran down a toilet at Guantanamo Bay may not, after all, be true, the magazine behind the claim said.
The report in last week’s Newsweek sparked riots in Afghanistan that spread across the Muslim world, leading to the deaths of at least 14 people and injuries to more than 120.In this week’s edition the magazine backtracks. “We regret that we got any part of our story wrong and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the US soldiers caught in its midst,” Mark Whitaker, the Editor, wrote in an editorial.
The report last week said that the claims about the Koran, which previously had been aired by other news organisations, would be validated by an inquiry report into the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. It was based on conversations with a senior American official who said that he had seen mention of the Koran incident in the report.
However, on checking with the source since publication, Newsweek said that the official no longer could be sure that they had remembered correctly.
When told of Newsweek’s new stance, Lawrence DiRita, the Pentagon spokesman, raged: “People are dead because of what this son of a bitch said.”
The Pentagon has been under mounting pressure to get to the bottom of the allegations as anti-American riots spread from Gaza to Kabul to Jakarta. The allegations also drew an official protest from Saudi Arabia, one of America’s most crucial allies in the Islamic world.
Yesterday, the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s largest opposition organisation, demanded that the US apologise, as did Islamic leaders in Bangladesh. In Beirut, Lebanon’s top Sunni Muslim cleric called for an international investigation.
The episode has threatened to give Washington its biggest headache overseas since the prisoner abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib.
Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, said that mistreatment of the Koran was “abhorrent” to right-thinking Americans.
Despite Newsweek’s about-turn, the Pentagon has yet to state officially that no mistreatment of the Koran by interrogators took place at Guantanamo Bay, where the US has held 600 detainees in legal limbo for more than three years.
An absolute statement of “no mistreatment of the Koran” would be tough to make. At this point something as simple as taking a Koran from an obstreperous prisoner might count as “mistreatment.”
As for Newsweek’s mea culpa? As I said at the top of this post call it News Weak.
May 23 issue - Did a report in NEWSWEEK set off a wave of deadly anti-American riots in Afghanistan? That’s what numerous news accounts suggested last week as angry Afghans took to the streets to protest reports, linked to us, that U.S. interrogators had desecrated the Qur’an while interrogating Muslim terror suspects. We were as alarmed as anyone to hear of the violence, which left at least 15 Afghans dead and scores injured. But I think it’s important for the public to know exactly what we reported, why, and how subsequent events unfolded.
Two weeks ago, in our issue dated May 9, Michael Isikoff and John Barry reported in a brief item in our periscope section that U.S. military investigators had found evidence that American guards at the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had committed infractions in trying to get terror suspects to talk, including in one case flushing a Qur’an down a toilet. Their information came from a knowledgeable U.S. government source, and before deciding whether to publish it we approached two separate Defense Department officials for comment. One declined to give us a response; the other challenged another aspect of the story but did not dispute the Qur’an charge.
Although other major news organizations had aired charges of Qur’an desecration based only on the testimony of detainees, we believed our story was newsworthy because a U.S. official said government investigators turned up this evidence. So we published the item. After several days, newspapers in Pakistan and Afghan-istan began running accounts of our story. At that point, as Evan Thomas, Ron Moreau and Sami Yousafzai report this week, the riots started and spread across the country, fanned by extremists and unhappiness over the economy.
Last Friday, a top Pentagon spokesman told us that a review of the probe cited in our story showed that it was never meant to look into charges of Qur’an desecration. The spokesman also said the Pentagon had investigated other desecration charges by detainees and found them “not credible.” Our original source later said he couldn’t be certain about reading of the alleged Qur’an incident in the report we cited, and said it might have been in other investigative documents or drafts. Top administration officials have promised to continue looking into the charges, and so will we. But we regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst.
—Mark Whitaker
UPDATE: Instapundit of course has several interesting posts and telling comments from readers. I am particularly struck by the email Instapundit publishes which disagrees that Newsweek’s mistake is the problem, rather people who riot over a news report are the problem. I’m going to quote it because the point is superb:
Newsweek isn’t the problem. The problem is that people will kill over a book being desecrated. Actually, over a anonymous report buried within a third rate weekly magazine. There is something wrong when people value a book, of which there are millions, over human lives. This is the real problem, and Newsweek isn’t the source of it. The problem is an ignorant and violent subculture within the islamic world, and the general lack of tolerance about religion therein.
Great point, but, the answer is “yes and no” to that comment, folks. If we’re going to take rioting Afghanis to task then let’s take the same stick to Los Angeles and rioting Angelenos. We’ve had riots in the USA over racial epithets and allegations of police brutality– epithets and allegations magnified by a what-me-worry? press. Rodney King was treated cruelly and brutalized, but he was also a punk. The LA riots were a human chain reaction, with emotions going nuclear.
There’s a war going on, a global war, and Newsweek acts like it’s trying to “Get Nixon.” (Heck, the Washington Post owns Newsweek, and the Post’s halcyon was Watergate.) The problem is not simply a reporter’s mistake but editorial ignorance of the global information grid.
I just read Neo-Neocon’s fine post, commenting on my original post. She says:
…the consequences in this age of cybercommunication are no longer local, they are worldwide and nearly instantaneous. The world has become like a room filled with propane or pure oxygen–a small spark is all that’s needed for ignition.
Neo-Neocon also adds an interesting comment on how the press was protective of FDR and JFK — concerned about the deleterious consequences certain personal information might have on their effectiveness as national leaders. That’s pre-Vietnam and Watergate.
UPDATE 2: A note to new commenters. Obviously, I allow comments on this site. Before I added a blog to the website, an experienced blogger advised me against comments (he warned of the downside), but I disagreed. A lot of intelligent people have good things to say and comments can add depth and perspective. Comments are also a corrective measure. The site, however, has some basic rules governing comments. The first is “No cursing, please.” I know, if you roam around you will find a post by a fellow vet that I let stand (he wrote with”drill sergeant authenticity” and achieved it), as well as a smattering of epithets that just weren’t offensive in context. This isn’t a namby-pamby rule– I’ve spent too much time in military units, where four letter words have their place and purpose. This blog comment rule is my response to reading hothouse drivia that appears on some websites. (Fact is, the idiotarians would benefit from ten weeks under the tutelage of a good DI.) Another rule is “no allegations without evidence.” Venting is one thing, slander’s another. Heated discussion’s fine, merely hurling insults doesn’t cut it. This is a request for civility. I ask commenters to think about issues and even when someone is dead-dirt-wrong try to respect them as a fellow human being. Since I started this blog in January I’ve only had three or four comments that crossed the venting/slander line and resulted in complete deletion, so it’s a wide, gray line. I ask commenters to think about the consequences of comments– which is appropriate given this particular post is discussing Newsweek’s latest foolishness. But those three or four seriously crossed the line and their comments went away forever. (One fellow wrote me and complained that he had been “censored.” Yup. On a private blog and after fair warning.) Don’t include more than three links in a comment, either.
UPDATE 3: Thanks for the many superb comments– including the one from dadahead which has stirred some useful discussion. The discussion flows from to the comment I pinched off Instapundit. Who are the guilty parties? In terms of taking 15 (or is it 17) lives, the rioters are guilty parties, there’s no question about that. But professional diligence, responsible use of information, and analysis of consequences also play central roles– let me re-write that– the lack of professional diligence and analysis of consequences play central roles. Anti-American propagandists –and that includes Al Qaeda– have used Gitmo and Abu Ghraib as emotional/political weapons. Responsible reporting must take that into account– in fact, credible reporting has to take that into account. A news organization will ultimately lose credibility if it doesn’t factor the Al Qaeda propaganda angle into its reporting on Gitmo and Abu Ghraib. I know, this makes for a more complicated story, but this is an intricate, complex war on an intricate, complex planet. I argue that the “Vietnam/Watergate” template directed Newsweek to “get Bush”– and that’s a narrow vision for a quality journalistic enterprise in a world where information technology puts us all within earshot of one another. That’s why I said the answer to the Instapundit commenter is “yes and no.” I will bet that Al Qaeda has sympathizers in Afghanistan and Pakistan who are cued to re-act to Western news reports that “insult Islam” — particularly reports involving US troops. The “fifth-columnist” throws the first stone. If he can get a couple of bored teenage boys to throw a second and third stone he’s done his job. It doesn’t always result in a riot but if a reporter’s on the scene, Al Qaeda gets another “the Muslim street is angry” story. I offer this as a scenario, not a proven fact, but it is a common ploy. Again, thanks for the quality comments.
UPDATE 4: Roger Kimball makes several interesting points, and does so elegantly. He agrees that the rioters are guilty, but also indicts the editorial slant and information magnification.
I’ll pull this quote from his post:
…Here’s a question: Why is it that all the stories you read in Time-Newsweek-The New York Times-The Washington Post-Etc. or see on CNN-The BBC-CBS-NBC-Etc., why is it that all their stories about Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, Donald Rumsfeld, George W. Bush, etc., why is it that the presumption, the prejudice, the predisposition never goes the other way? Why is it that their reporters always assume the worst: that we’re doing dirty at Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., and are primed to pick up and believe any rumor damaging to the United States? Shakespeare knew that rumor was a “pipe/blown by surmises, jealousies, conjectures,” not to be trusted. So why do these journalists, trained to sift evidence, to probe sources, to listen beyond the static of rumor: why do they only do so in one direction, so to speak? Yes, I know that’s a self-answering question, at least in part, but it is worth pondering nonetheless…
UPDATE 5: I want to call your attention to comment 97. First a minor point: The automatic editor blocks any comment with more than three links (though I’ve seen four links slip through). Comment 97 has a number of links — I’m glad I saw it in the “no post” bin because it argues for fair treament for Mr. Isikoff. Mr. Isikoff deserves fair treatment. I don’t need to say this, but I will– at a personal level I feel very sorry for him. The man is smart, intelligent, and an able reporter. I realize that many times men and women in the media forget that people aren’t “stories” and aren’t “words” but are flesh and blood– but I’m not going to forget that. I got an email after an appearance on CSPAN (no, didn’t keep it–should have) that thanked me for treating a hostile question with generosity, though the emailer suggested I was “almost” too nice. The question the caller asked me on the tv program was probably intended to be hostile but it had merit.
I still believe that the Vietnam/Watergate template and “paper journalism” template points hold– and Isikoff is both victim and perpetrator. As commenter 15 points out, American and Afghan lives are at increased risk because of the mistake. And “increased risk” is an understatement, given the deaths from riot. What may evolve from this is an awareness on Mr. Isikoff’s part that he, too, is part of a huge global war. That’s a complicated assertion on my part. Of course he’s aware of the war, but this particular story operates as if Newsweek were a “neutral observer” and Al Qaeda and the US are moral equivalents. I may expand on this thought later, so treat this as an interim post. Several commenters have touched on this point. I have to get to a tv studio to be on MSNBC at 12:45 CDT.
UPDATE6 (and the last here): Commenter 144– See post 330, entitled “Enemy Action?” That’s not out of line with the quote you have from LTG Eichenberry. UPDATE TO UPDATE: Here’s a link. Read the post’s update, tied to the comments of Indian analyst Mr. Raman (in the lgf link).
Am I the only one who finds the words “[we] extend our sympathies” particularly obscene?
Comment by ARegan — 5/15/2005 @ 9:10 pm
I think the Islamic world has a right to expect that their holy book be treated with respect; Oh, by the way, can any one tell me what happens in these Islamic countries when a Bible is found in a person’s possession?
Comment by Mike Feffer — 5/15/2005 @ 9:18 pm
I think the Islamic world has a right to expect that their holy book be treated with respect; Oh, by the way, can any one tell me what happens in these Islamic countries when a Bible is found in a persons possession?
Comment by Mike Feffer — 5/15/2005 @ 9:20 pm
A friend of mine just back from a year in Saudi Arabia says that if the inspectors fine a copy of a Bible in your possession when you get off the plane, it is destroyed immediately.
Comment by Philip F Howerton Jr — 5/15/2005 @ 9:31 pm
Media Reform The amazing result of stories like these is the collective ability of the news media and journalistic academia to ignore them. The biggest difference between lawyers and journalists is that attorneys realize they’ve got a credibility problem.
Trackback by The Fearless Critic — 5/15/2005 @ 9:51 pm
I’ll never buy a Newsweek again. Geeze… nobody would ever suggest a legal remedy here, but do journalist never exercise judgement? Even if the allegations WERE true… what purpose would have been served by going public with this? Were the results not predictable? Do we not have numerous enemies poised to manipulate their own people over this kind of thing? I’m opposed to Guantonamo too, probably for the same reason the editors at Newsweek are. But now 15 people will never draw breath because Newsweek thought it had some dirt which would advance its cause. Way to go, guys!
Comment by Wastelandlive — 5/15/2005 @ 9:56 pm
Circling the Wagons Instapundit quotes a reader trying to rationalize the rioting in the Newsweek story:If the book were the Holy Bible of Christian faith (that was desecrated) then wouldn’t there also be riots resulting??What a weak attempt at spin. Insty brings up…
Trackback by Slublog — 5/15/2005 @ 9:56 pm
Well, I guess the only thing to do is to go find a Koran & flush it down the toilet. The meme has been let out of Pandora’s Box, and it won’t go back in.
Comment by harmon — 5/15/2005 @ 10:05 pm
Austin, The Main Stream Media has been this way for more than 20 years. Closer to 35 if you get right down to brass tacks. Hells bells, go get a copy of Fred Friendly’s PBS Seminars on military media relations made in 1984 to see exactly what the MSM was then. I clipped the following from the Fred Friendly site on the web: >The Military and the News Media- A Three-Part Series (1984) > >Three one hour programs on the relationship between the military and the news media, >featuring journalists, military leaders, attorneys, judges, and public officials. > > >Distributed By: Insight Media (800-233-9910) > >Program Website: > >Select a segment below to view details > >Correspondent under Fire >A Matter of Intelligence >A Question of Access The MSM was then what Newsweek is today.
Comment by Trent Telenko — 5/15/2005 @ 10:12 pm
Newsweek: (looking over shoulder)”Oh…did I do that? My bad.”
Comment by Doss — 5/15/2005 @ 10:12 pm
Still think there’s no group-think in the mainstream media? Austin Bay (by way of Instapundit) categorizes the latest “template-based journalism” scam, this time by Newsweek. As Glenn is wont to say, read the whole thing. If you had any doubts that the media are biased against this administration, this…
Trackback by Applied Indifference — 5/15/2005 @ 10:30 pm
AUSTIN: I’m on my way back to Kabul, as I typically do every summer, but my family is completely opposed to my travel and work this year in Afghanistan even though I’ve safely transited there, in and out of State and UN/NGO service for nearly 20 years. The word I receive from Kabuli friends is that Isikoff has singlehandedly turned US triumph in the country to a total disaster. It was thought an anamoly last summer that some wonderful–and tragically forgotten–American DynCorps workers (mostly ex-military and my good friends) were killed in an environment that was pro-American to the core. That could be seen as a terrible tragedy, an unreasonable sad event impinging on an overall positive atmosphere–a last ditch effort by desperate Al Qa’eda remnants from outside Afghanistan to vent anger at the overwhelming success of the Americans. Now thanks to one Bush-hating reporter (google Isikoff if you doubt his intentions,) the recidivist Taliban-Pathans of southeast Afghanistan once again have an issue to de-legitimize the Karzai-US alliance. This is a disaster perpetrated by a single reckless reporter…will he ever be required to answer for his sins? Fifteen dead so far…how many more? The streets of Afghanistan, just days ago filled with pro-American citizens, are now roiled with hatred. What has Newsweek wrought? Who will call Isikoff to answer in courts or Congress for his destruction of an important alliance? GW…it’s time for you to step up to the plate and talk directly about this issue, this renegade journalist, to both the American public and the Afghan people.
Comment by JRK — 5/15/2005 @ 10:36 pm
Austin, It took me a while to find this, but it is spot on regards Newsweek’s ethical behavior: http://secure.mediaresearch.org/news/cyberalert/2001/cyb20011010.asp#4 =================== A reprint from the April 1989 MediaWatch, a monthly newsletter then-published by the MRC: Peter Jennings and Mike Wallace Agree Reporters First, Americans Second In a future war involving U.S. soldiers what would a TV reporter do if he learned the enemy troops with which he was traveling were about to launch a surprise attack on an American unit? That’s just the question Harvard University professor Charles Ogletree Jr, as moderator of PBS’ Ethics in America series, posed to ABC anchor Peter Jennings and 60 Minutes correspondent Mike Wallace. Both agreed getting ambush footage for the evening news would come before warning the U.S. troops. For the March 7 installment on battlefield ethics Ogletree set up a theoretical war between the North Kosanese and the U.S.-supported South Kosanese. At first Jennings responded: “If I was with a North Kosanese unit that came upon Americans, I think I personally would do what I could to warn the Americans.” Wallace countered that other reporters, including himself, “would regard it simply as another story that they are there to cover.” Jennings’ position bewildered Wallace: “I’m a little bit of a loss to understand why, because you are an American, you would not have covered that story.” “Don’t you have a higher duty as an American citizen to do all you can to save the lives of soldiers rather than this journalistic ethic of reporting fact?” Ogletree asked. Without hesitating Wallace responded: “No, you don’t have higher duty… you’re a reporter.” This convinces Jennings, who concedes, “I think he’s right too, I chickened out.” Ogletree turns to Brent Scrowcroft, now the National Security Adviser, who argues “you’re Americans first, and you’re journalists second.” Wallace is mystified by the concept, wondering “what in the world is wrong with photographing this attack by North Kosanese on American soldiers?” Retired General William Westmoreland then points out that “it would be repugnant to the American listening public to see on film an ambush of an American platoon by our national enemy.” A few minutes later Ogletree notes the “venomous reaction” from George Connell, a Marine Corps Colonel. “I feel utter contempt. Two days later they’re both walking off my hilltop, they’re two hundred yards away and they get ambushed. And they’re lying there wounded. And they’re going to expect I’m going to send Marines up there to get them. They’re just journalists, they’re not Americans.” Wallace and Jennings agree, “it’s a fair reaction.” The discussion concludes as Connell says: “But I’ll do it. And that’s what makes me so contemptuous of them. And Marines will die, going to get a couple of journalists.” END Reprint Let’s hope neither Wallace or Jennings are given an opportunity to travel with any enemy troops or cells. ================== Of cousre, the real difference between then and now is that Mike Wallace and Peter Jennings would never be with those terrorist groups reporting on American troops. The MSM is too cheap for that. The people with the terrorists are stringers for AP/UPI/CNN/CBS/ABC/NBC/BBC and are also terroists themselves. So Col George Connell would never have to risk his Marines saving journalists, all he would have to do is kill them.
Comment by Trent Telenko — 5/15/2005 @ 10:37 pm
Is it even possible to flush a book down a toilet? It’s pretty easy to see why nobody ever accused fanatics of critical thinking.
Comment by Ed Minchau — 5/15/2005 @ 10:42 pm
The problem is the book is not original scripture and is printed by man as is the Bible. Anyone who kills (riots) over the desecration (probably not true)of any Holy book is a very ignorant person. So what we have seen is not a surprise. A group of people that continue to inslave half of thier population and murder those that don’t agree with them see everything as a holy insult. As to Newsweek, again not much of a surprise. Not many in the MSM actually research anymore. They continue to lose readership and have no idea why.
Comment by jbrookins — 5/15/2005 @ 10:44 pm
From Newsweek’s ‘How a Fire Broke Out’ “But Westerners, including those at NEWSWEEK, may underestimate how severely Muslims resent the American presence, especially when it in any way interferes with Islamic religious faith.” Here’s where I think Newsweek is at least partially acknowledging Austin Bays’s Technological Compression theory. We had no idea, they seem to be saying, that people would read this in any way other than an American would read this. We had no idea how severely Muslims would react to this, when Americans react very differently to anti-American or anti-christian/jewish behavior in Muslim countries. But news outlets filter news coming to the US from other countries when it is deemed too dangerous for those in the other countries. Look at how CNN treated news in Saddam’s Iraq for one outrageous example. Should they not also consider that perhaps some news is too dangerous/inflammatory to go from the US to other countries? Shouldn’t they be extra cautious with such information?
Comment by k — 5/15/2005 @ 10:46 pm
Newsweek Retracts Riot-Sparking Koran Story Newsweek has now basically said “Never mind!” in what is essentially a retraction of a report claiming that interrogators at Guantanamo Bay had desecrated the holy Koran — a …
Trackback by The Moderate Voice — 5/15/2005 @ 10:52 pm
Drop a crucifix in a glass of urine, and its art. Complain about it, and the left tells you that you are a phillistine. Drop a Koran in a urinal, its desecration and cause for bloodshed. Point out that many Muslims are overreacting, and the left tells you that you are a culturally insensitive bigot.
Comment by Scott Free — 5/15/2005 @ 11:07 pm
Newsweek’s blunder costs lives Is a retraction and a “we’re sorry” thrown in for good measure enough when a faulty news story costs lives? (No, I’m not referring to Judith Miller.) Newsweek has apologized for a story in its May 9 issue alleging that interrogators at Guantanam…
Trackback by Rathergate.com — 5/15/2005 @ 11:07 pm
… But maybe we should start desecrating a few copies of the Koran every day. Just to help those poor, stupid, rioting Koran-worshippers understand that it’s wrong to worship anything that another man can destroy. Wasn’t there some Indian tribe that sued the gov’t over the Apollo moonwalks? Because the moon was a god to them, and they were mad about us walking on their god? Same idea. Like the Buddhists say: if you meet Buddha walking down the road, kill him.
Comment by McClain — 5/15/2005 @ 11:21 pm
Newsweek Lied and People Died Austin Bay Blog has a roundup of the unconscionable tragedy sparked by irresponsible reporting by Newsweek. The sin of greed always seems to creep into every scandal and it’s certainly lurking in this tragic incident. Newsweek wants market share, and…
Trackback by Just Some Poor Schmuck — 5/15/2005 @ 11:26 pm
Editors and Fact Checkers asleep at the IBM Select It strikes me and others that perhaps the focus should be less on Newsweek and more on what sort of religion goes on a killing spree because of an insult to a book?
Trackback by The Pink Flamingo Bar Grill — 5/15/2005 @ 11:35 pm
News Weak Newsweek runs a poorly sourced and badly researched story of dubious value. Story sparks riots and recriminations, including 15 deaths. Newsweek says
Trackback by Bryan's Basement — 5/15/2005 @ 11:41 pm
The original Newsweek story seems credible, doesn’t it? Why not go after the truth of the source and possible verifications of the story instead of immediate piling on/bashing of anything that smells of opposition to the “Party Line”?
Comment by Bill Gardner — 5/16/2005 @ 12:03 am
This is the Sepoy Mutiny all over again - and this time on steroids. The stupidity of Isakoff & Newsweek can be explained, but not condoned, by their lack of both general and historical knowledge combined with a level of arrogance that only the truly and willfully ignorant have. Rumors let loose are powerful weapons, blunt & uncontrolable especially when let loose among partially informed people; which is why it has long been a weapon of choice for unscrupulous & desparate people. I really feel sorry for the servicemen/women & the ‘adults’ in the administration, who has to defuse the situation if possible. Newsweek will never be able to undo the damage. The minimum one can demand of them is contrition, but that would demand insight. At a minimum both Isakoff & Evans should be fired, as should anybody else in the loop of running with a story no grownup would let loose without solid evidence, and even then, the adult would hesitate because he/she understands the law of unintended consequences. There are very few. if any, defenses for PC-speak, if one exists this is such a situation. sg One should never confuse people, especially the academically enlightened, with facts that may pollute the purity of their prejudices.
Comment by Svend Gøthgen — 5/16/2005 @ 12:07 am
Quite frankly, how do we know that Michael Isikoff isn’t lying like Jason Blair?
Comment by Sydney Carton — 5/16/2005 @ 12:19 am
Maybe Newsweek has found a new demographic to cater to, Muslim extremists, supplementing its declining soap opera women market. Look for more template anti-US stories to get its subscriber base up overseas. The countermove is not shaming Newsweek but ridiculing the audience for this crap.
Comment by Ron Hardin — 5/16/2005 @ 12:21 am
Apparently being mean to people is much less worse than killing fifteen of them and counting. Austin Bay compares Abu Ghraib with Newsweek. Newsweek doesn’t come off well. So does this count for manslaughter charges? Incitement to riot? An…
Trackback by Chapomatic — 5/16/2005 @ 12:28 am
Can someone remind me when Saudi Arabia’s Shoura Council apologized to America about 9/11, and the role Saudi citizens played in that? Or are we supposed to take seriously the accusations from those violent and ignorant people that “defacing” a single book made out of paper is more important and sinful and humiliating — all those good Muslim words that get hurled at us — than the deaths of thousands of actual flesh and blood people, and the accompanying destruction of billions of dollars of property? If those are the allegations our Muslim brethren are making, then someone needs to smack the rioters, the hysterical imams, and Arab media sharply upside all of their head and introduce them to the definition of the word “reality”.
Comment by NahnCee — 5/16/2005 @ 12:29 am
Newsweek Should Pay A Price As others have noted, Newsweek is retracting its story on the supposed desecration of a Koran by U.S. service members. Not good enough, Newswe…
Trackback by Dean's World — 5/16/2005 @ 12:48 am
Newsweek Should Pay A Price As others have noted, Newsweek is retracting its story on the supposed desecration of a Koran by U.S. service members. Not good enough, Newswe…
Trackback by Dean's World — 5/16/2005 @ 12:48 am
… Who’s to blame for the deaths? Not those who killed them, but those who angered the killers. This is the logic they accuse of us when they call us America-haters if we suggest a causal role between U.S. policy and terrorism. [NOTE FROM THE EDITOR: Dadahead– other’s have made this point and made it well. It’s a valid point– see the Instapundit commenter I quote in the first update. But don’t push the envelope on the comment rules. If that’s your schtick, perform someplace else. Yes, I grinned, then I deleted your asteriks, but kept the core of your comment. Thanks for posting it. ]
Comment by dadahead — 5/16/2005 @ 12:50 am
The real problem is the medieval mindset that goes out of its way to take umbrage at essentially nothing. If my dog does a turd on a copy of Darwin’s origin of species or I line my budgie cage with print outs of Newton’s formula what bearing does this have on the reality of the non-random survival of randomly varying hereditary elements or the motion of bodies…diddly squat…zip…nada….the Buddhists have this one off pat where the old Zen master started his day strolling across the yard and urinating on the statue of the Buddha… Nothing that can physically be done to an inanimate text can be desecration. Desecration can be done to historic artefacts or antiquities, the Bimyan Buddhas rather spring to mind. Now why is there not a little compare and contrast analysis in the media on the reaction of Muslims to hearsay evidence about something allegedly done to a non historic book verses the wilful destruction of a very real and ancient historic artefact…..shame on Muslims……shame on the media for not shaming these barbaric people. These people need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
Comment by Nick Good — 5/16/2005 @ 1:30 am
“A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses shall a charge be established. If a malicious witness arises to accuse a person of wrongdoing, then both parties to the dispute shall appear before the Lord, before the priests and the judges who are in office in those days. The judges shall inquire diligently, and if the witness is a false witness and has accused his brother falsely, then you shall do to him as he had meant to do to his brother. So you shall purge the evil from your midst. And the rest shall hear and fear, and shall never again commit any such evil among you. Your eye shall not pity. It shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.” Deuteronomy 19: 15-21 (ESV).
Comment by Steve S. — 5/16/2005 @ 1:49 am
Newsweek Says Koran Desecration Report Is Wrong How many Muslims will hear, let alone believe the retraction ? How many people died because of Newsweek’s sloppy journalism ? How many Americans will die in the future because of new recruits to the Jihad generated by this bogus report ?
Trackback by Noahware — 5/16/2005 @ 1:58 am
Newsweek Says Koran Desecration Report Is Wrong How many Muslims will hear, let alone believe the retraction ? How many people died because of Newsweek’s sloppy journalism ? How many Americans will die in the future because of new recruits to the Jihad generated by this bogus report ?
Trackback by Noahware — 5/16/2005 @ 2:07 am
“Drop a crucifix in a glass of urine, and its art. Complain about it, and the left tells you that you are a phillistine. Drop a Koran in a urinal, its desecration and cause for bloodshed. Point out that many Muslims are overreacting, and the left tells you that you are a culturally insensitive bigot. Comment by Scott Free” With all do respects Mr. Miracle… the Koran was never dropped down a toilet !
Comment by Noah Bawdy — 5/16/2005 @ 2:24 am
dadahead is a moron. ’nuff said.
Comment by Noah Bawdy — 5/16/2005 @ 2:30 am
Media’s Pride Before Their Fall Instapundit says it all: GEE, THANKS GUYS: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newsweek magazine on Sunday said it may have erred in a May 9 report that said U.S. interrogators desecrated the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, and apologized to victims of deadly violence…
Trackback by Sierra Faith — 5/16/2005 @ 2:34 am
One point re; Third World…….I have a long and copiously footnoted piece HEREthat details the New Communism and their new focus. Cutting to the chase: The Third World is in poverty because we deliberately created that poverty SO we could make more money; since labor has prospered along with business, labor is part of the ruling class that must be displaced—that is why the new Left doesn’t have to relate to the blue collar—they are the enemy too; we enter any country in order to impoverish it so we can get richer; and the destruction of our country by the media is a purpose of the Left. Make no mistake: we are in Iraq to impoverish it so our multinationals can make money.
Comment by Howard Veit — 5/16/2005 @ 3:05 am
Stipulated: Muslims ought not to seethe and riot and turn violently on Americans, especially those Americans struggling to liberate and rebuild Afghanistan. (And for good measure they should lose the morbid antizionist paranoia documented at the memri.org website.) But does this get Newsweek of the hook? To the contrary! American blood and treasure are being spent in order to lift major parts of the Islamic world out of its gangrenous terrorist-manufacturing pocket of bigotry, victimthink, and ignorance. It is ultimately a war of ideas, which Newsweek has undermined by giving the enemy ammunition on a silver platter. FLUSH NEWSWEEK!
Comment by Alan Furman — 5/16/2005 @ 3:23 am
Anyone notice no one is rioting in Iraq? I’m thinking Iraqis have gotten wise to the ridiculously biased reporting of American mainstream media. I’ve known Iraqis to become physically ill at the pro-Saddam propaganda in Farenheit 9/11. Citizens of Afghanistan meanwhile haven’t had as many opportunities to compare press reports to reality because the press has been ignoring the place. It looks like they’re about to catch up with the hardened media skeptics in Iraq. It’s too bad people had to die for the lesson to be learned.
Comment by Pro Iraqi — 5/16/2005 @ 3:47 am
FLUSH OUT THE KORAN BY SPREADING BETTER IDEAS By the way: I am wondering what will happen with “Newsweek’s Victim,” Imran Khan… I am sure the employees at the University of Bradford are not happy campers at the moment.
Trackback by EGO — 5/16/2005 @ 4:03 am
news weep So NewsWeek published a blurb about Gito people flushing Qurans down the toilet. So the muslim world goes ballestic. So the whole thing is absurd. Here is a great quote from a commenter on Austin B…
Trackback by Gibbie's Bioscience World — 5/16/2005 @ 5:02 am
Rethinking the Newsweek Story I believe with all my heart that Newsweek should fire Michael Isikoff and John Barry for the shoddy reporting that led to a completely false story about Koran desecration - a story that itself precipitated death and destruction in Afghanistan. They sho…
Trackback by Gay Orbit — 5/16/2005 @ 5:36 am
The problem isn’t Newsweek. Sure, they are a sleazy little leftwing rag and it is nice to watch them squirm for their foolishnes. But, they aren’t the problem. It is the volital infantalism of vast swaths of Islam. The world is full of Newsweeks: Crappy two-bit news outlets and blogs may get hold of some rumor or minor event and amplify it to the point of ignition. The idea that you could get all of those freely flapping lips and typing fingers to spread only unbiased truth with an eye for what is in the US national interest is highly unrealistic. And that is what this war is all about. WE don’t need to change. ISLAM needs to change. We aren’t going to muzzle our journalists for fear of what the Muslim “Street” will do to us. They need to muzzle their Imams for fear of what the US will do to them. And now I am watching “right wing” voices fall into the same “blame the victim” mindset of the “left wing” America-haters who blame us for inciting 9/11. The rioters need to grow up.
Comment by Junkyard God — 5/16/2005 @ 5:39 am
Re: Four letter words. You can tell a Navy man is happy when only every third word is some four letter expression. When it becomes every second - trouble. I’m a Navy man myself, but out of respect for the ladies I decline to illustrate.
Comment by M. Simon — 5/16/2005 @ 5:55 am
yup…judging from the tenor of the comments, it looks like now is the time to launch “Holy Quran TP”…it will have to be extra soft, so that when it is time to “go see the prophet” and going is something of a “jihad”, you can treat your Mo to passages it deserves…
Comment by Mr. K — 5/16/2005 @ 6:04 am
Newsweek’s major mistake About the faulty Newsweek reporting that incited those Koran riots, Austin Bay writes: The sin…
Trackback by The Irish Trojan's Blog — 5/16/2005 @ 6:05 am
Howard V., How right you are. We are doing to Iraq exactly what we did to the Japanese. And we all know how that has turned out.
Comment by M. Simon — 5/16/2005 @ 6:07 am
Newsweek Screws Up Liberal Newsweek’s anti-American bias manifested itself in an ugly way. In their zeal to report anything sinister about Americans (especially those serving/working overseas) and anything good about Arabs (the terrorist kind), they erroneously reporte…
Trackback by La Shawn Barber's Corner — 5/16/2005 @ 6:16 am
Two things stand out…..1st, There are a whole slew of MSM folks who lack any comprehension of the fact that their little printed and unsubstantiated words will become “fact” to a large part of the world where they didn’t even believe their stories were available….The MSM is still “print oriented”, and cannot believe that electronic passage of information far outstrips the meager abilities of the actual press. 2nd, The very weak retraction by Newsweek speaks to the fact of the MSM still considering themselves beyond reproach, even when they know they are wrong! (Read: Rather who just “knew” the story was real, even if totally fabricated!) Sickening….and, I’ll wager anyone there will be no retribution for the completely unsubstantiated reporting. Except, of course, here in the world of the pajamahadeen! Go Blogs! Duke of DeLand
Comment by Duke of DeLand — 5/16/2005 @ 6:17 am
I was amazed at how the leftist press ran with this story, knowing it would probably result in the deaths of dozens of innocent people. Knowing it was a lie all along apparently made no difference. Yes, they’re on the other side.
Comment by Conrad — 5/16/2005 @ 6:48 am
Were Nazi prisoners in WWII given copies of Mein Kampf to help them pass the hours in captivity? Why should the Koran, the driving force behind global jihad, be available to the death cult members in the first place? Islamo-fascism is the enemy, and the Koran is its ideological framework.
Comment by Stephen — 5/16/2005 @ 6:50 am
Is Newsweek to Blame? Instapundit has a link roundup on the Newsweek debacle. Is it media bias, or just plain media stupidity? Is it MSM’s Abu Ghraib? For some of us, perhaps, the claim of American soldiers flushing an entire Quran down the toilet…
Trackback by The Waterglass — 5/16/2005 @ 6:52 am
Newsweek: 15 fatalities Abu Gharib: 0 fatalities Austin Bay Blog has an excellant post up on the Newsweek fiasco. Comparing the results of this “reporting” to the incidents at Abu Gharib is, IMO, a pretty fair assesment. Abu Gharib was never anything more than a felony mistreatment…
Trackback by Delftsman — 5/16/2005 @ 7:00 am
Making a serious case? In an amusing twist, Newsweek’s flushing-of-the-flushing story (discussed dismissively infra — and now I’m wondering whether should it be called “Korangate” or “Flushgate”) has not made the Philadelphia Inquirer’s front page. In its place, I fi…
Trackback by Classical Values — 5/16/2005 @ 7:04 am
Look at it as a physical problem….a book would need to be torn up into many many tiny pieces to be flushed….it would take serious effort. The paper would float…and not flush easily….plug ups likely….have to tear out pages in clumps of 10-15. Its NOT EASY TO FLUSH A BOOK That by itself should have set off warning flags
Comment by Dave Milk — 5/16/2005 @ 7:25 am
Newsweek and other MSM see religion as nonsense practiced by the ignorant and superstitious. Since it is, in their view, a meaningless diversion, artefacts such as books, icons, crucifixes and images cannot be “desecrates” simply because nothing can really be “sacred”. Consequently, maltreatment of a religious item to Newsweek is viewed here only in the “gotcha” aspect, an error by Nixon/Bush/Hitler to be amplified. I have little doubt they knew full well it would have this kind of impact, and discussed it at editorial meetings. In full “Get Bush” mode, they hoped the anticpated Muslim reaction would add one more straw to the camel’s back. The only thing they never suspected was that this would turn around and bite them back. Sounds like Congressional hearings are in order. What did the editors know, and when did they know it?
Comment by Kevin Fleming — 5/16/2005 @ 7:37 am
Apologies, but “desecrates†is “desecratedâ€, when typed correctly.
Comment by Kevin Fleming — 5/16/2005 @ 7:39 am
This story might be the US press’ Abu Ghraib. It is almost certainly Newsweek’s own Rathergate. At the very least, Isikoff and Berry (the two reporters named as responsible, should resign or be fired. If Newsweek had ANY integrity (which I doubt) then their managing editor and editor-in-chief need to be removed as well.
Comment by John — 5/16/2005 @ 7:41 am
Noah - dadahead’s comment takes a little puzzling out, but what he’s trying to say is that blaming Newsweek for angering the Muslims so that they riot & kill people is not much different than being a left wing nut & blaming America for angering the Muslims resulting in 911. So dadahead says that the Newsweek bashers are hypocritical. He has a point. Not that I particularly want to defend Newsweek, which IMHO is a sophmoric rag since the 70s. But when a guy’s right, he’s right, and dadahead is right. Here in Illinois, a nutcase just killed two little girls, one his daughter, because they made him angry. In the middle east, a bunch of nutcases have killed several people because Newsweek made them angry. The left wing nutcases say that the Islamic nutcases did 911 because America made them angry. I don’t see much difference between any of these nutcases. Sure, Newsweek is a bunch of dopes. And sure, they were careless. That doesn’t excuse the nutcases. We’d see that more clearly if the story were true. Of course, the thing with Newsweek is not that they knew the story was true, but that they were willing to assume that it was true until someone proved it was false. So they acted in reckless disregard of the truth. But then, isn’t that what the MSM does anyway? Newsweek is no different than the rest of the MSM, in that they really don’t report “news.” They report gossip. [ED NOTE: See my comment on Dadahead. He has a valid point, and it relates to the comment I pinched from Instapundit. The rioters are guilty parties, there’s no question about that. But professional diligence, responsible use of information, and analysis of consequences also play central roles– let me re-write that– the lack of professional diligence and analysis of consequences play central roles. Anti-American propagandists –and that includes Al Qaeda– have used Gitmo and Abu Ghraib as emotional/political weapons. Responsible reporting must take that into account– in fact, credible reporting has to take that into account. You will ultimately lose credibility if you don’t factor the Al Qaeda propaganda angle into your reporting on Gitmo and Abu Ghraib. But the “Vietnam/Watergate” template directed Newsweek to “get Bush”– and that’s a narrow vision for a quality journalistic enterprise in a world where information technology puts us all within earshot of one another. That’s why I said the answer to the Instapundit commenter is “yes and no.” I will bet that Al Qaeda has sympathizers in Afghanistan and Pakistan who are cued to re-act to Western news reports that “insult Islam” — particularly reports involving US troops. The “fifth-columnist” throws the first stone. If he can get a couple of bored teenage boys to throw a second and third stone he’s done his job. It doesn’t always result in a riot but if a reporter’s on the scene, Al Qaeda gets another “the Muslim street is angry” story. I offer this as a scenario, not a proven fact, but it is a common ploy. I will move this ED NOTE to the main blog page.]
Comment by harmon — 5/16/2005 @ 7:45 am
Newsweek Attempts some Self Analysis If their journalists are so smart regarding the Moslem world, why didn’t they know what the consequences of their little article would be. P.S.: Michelle Malkin also has a good analysis here. So does Austin Bay.
Trackback by Tennessee Rants — 5/16/2005 @ 7:50 am
If there weren’t 15 dead bodies – and who knows how many more to follow – the irony of Newsweek’s story would be delicious. After all, they and their tranzi buddies have been lecturing all the rest of us Neolithic men on how culturally insensitive and dumb we are – and that was of course to be the point of the Isikoff story, our dum sojers is so kultural dumm. How bitterly ironic that NewSpeak has lit the spark which may undo the good work the U.S. has done (and paid for with the precious blood of our finest citizens) in the Middle East and South Asia, and may undo the democratic spring now occurring. I am seething right now. As a former soldier and cop and now an attorney I’ve had to deal with some bad actors, including big time felons and some war criminals. It’s always been easy to keep a little emotional distance – after all, even Osama bin Laden has some historical precedent, and comes from a recognizable place in the human psyche and in history. In contrast, I am starting to burn with rage toward much of the MSM, because they seem to have a death wish for the West. They are Freud’s suicidal and chaotic Thanatos triumphant. The MSM does things like this irresponsible Newsweek story either intentionally, or unintentionally. If it is intentional, then I can think of no word for it other than evil. If it is unintentional, then a substantial chunk of the MSM is too stupid to realize that they pumping gas while chain smoking Marlboros. I’m not sure which is worse, but I do know that the U.S. and the West can’t afford too much of this, nor can the people in the Middle East whom we are attempting to help bootstrap.
Comment by Al Maviva — 5/16/2005 @ 7:58 am
Newsweek brags that its magazine ends up on newstands in 190 countries. The “we didn’t think anyone outside the US would see it” excuse doesn’t hold water. Uncensored press reports have been getting soldiers killed since Korea. Thats why the military is treated as evil, in order to kill the enemy, one needs to dehumanize them first.
Comment by Soldier's Dad — 5/16/2005 @ 8:12 am
Newsweek’s Disastrous Lie I was going to write a post on Newsweek’s disastrous lie that is getting people killed, but really Glenn Reynolds has it covered well and succinctly here and here. It’s worth reading. It comes to this: a substantial proportion of Western media is on …
Trackback by Caerdroia — 5/16/2005 @ 8:13 am
The Newsweek Fiasco: A Tipping Point? As Instapundit notes, Austin Bay has a must read post about the Newsweek story -
Trackback by Unconventional Wisdom — 5/16/2005 @ 8:20 am
Re. comment 21: Yeah, I’ll buy the MSM idea that we need to be culturally sensitive on this topic when the MSM is sympathetic to those who are upset at US flag burning. But let me know when an American Legion post kills a dozen in a riot over that.
Comment by Brian J. Dunn — 5/16/2005 @ 8:34 am
Flush Newsweek Flush Newsweek
Trackback by Catscape — 5/16/2005 @ 8:57 am
Is anyone else offended that the public face of the Newsweek apology is the Washington Bureau Chief rather than Isikoff, Whitaker, or the normally publicity-seeking Evan Thomas?
Comment by Beaufort — 5/16/2005 @ 9:05 am
Isn’t Michael Isikoff the reporter whose Newsweek story on Monica Lewinsky was spiked because the editors wanted more fact checking? So they obviously have different standards for the lives of our troops than they had for Bill Clinton’s infidelities.
Comment by Ion — 5/16/2005 @ 9:15 am
The Pen is Mightier than the Sword Newsweak’s May 9th allegations that Guantanamo interrogators placed Korans on toilets and in one incident flushed one has no corroboration–none whatsoever. “We regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of t…
Trackback by UNCoRRELATED — 5/16/2005 @ 9:23 am
“It strikes me and others that perhaps the focus should be less on Newsweek and more on what sort of religion goes on a killing spree because of an insult to a book? ” That Muslims can be a little nuts this way is not exactly news. In fact the US has been putting a lot of effort into dealing with this aspect Muslim society for the past three and a half years. Much of that effort has been military, but a lot of it has also been nonmiliitary - diplomatic, cultural and economic. Newsweek just dealt that other half a huge setback. A soccer fan might refer to this as an “own goal” … that is, if he still thought Newsweek was on the US’s side.
Comment by ralph phelan — 5/16/2005 @ 9:26 am
WHY IS IT that when a press outlet makes a major mistake, it is never in the United States’ favor? And why should anyone ever take any major press outlet seriously ever again? The same press that derides bloggers for our lack of…
Trackback by JunkYardBlog — 5/16/2005 @ 9:27 am
IT’S ABU GHRAIB, STUPID For a little more than a year now, the opponents of the war in Iraq have sought desperately to undermine our efforts there by using the Abu Ghraib prison scandal as a metaphor for the immorality of the conflict in general. Since they couldn’t attack t…
Trackback by Right Wing Nut House — 5/16/2005 @ 9:27 am
I’ve just made an argument over at Roger L. Simon’s posting that this is more than just sloppy reporting. In every other walk of life, professionals are subject to criminal charges if they engage in grossly negligent behavior that results in injury to innocent third parties. Here have we grossly negligent (if not outright malicious, and I’m still not convinced that Newsweek didn’t make up most of this story out of whole cloth) behavior that has resulted in harm to American servicemen in wartime. This is much, much more serious than Rathergate. Newsweek has crossed over the line from ordinary leftist media conceit into Lord Haw Haw / Tokyo Rose territory. I claim that Michael Isikoff and others at Newsweek should be facing criminal and/or civil charges because of this. And here’s why: The MSM obviously took the position at the start that the war is all Bushitler’s fault, done for the sole purpose of benefiting his oil buddies, and that there is no threat to America from the Middle East (9/11 notwithstanding). Since then, they have been wrong on pretty much every major position that they have took in relation to the GWOT. Extreme pride is a failure of American journalism today, and after being proven wrong again and again, the MSM now regards it as more important to be right than to be American. This Newsweek fiasco has shown them how they can use their power to change the course of the war. They now have been shown how they can make the outcome be what they originally predicted, and assuage their bruised pride. If people from Newsweek aren’t prosecuted now, then it will be Katy-bar-the-door as the MSM publishes absolutely anything they can to inflame the Mideast situation and turn allies against America. Blood libels relating to Islam humiliation (and Lord knows the Muslims are the easiest people to humiliate who ever walked the Earth) will be published hourly in Iraq. Every single setback will be blamed directly on specific Americans in Iraq, down to publishing the names of individual soldiers (whether they were actually involved or not). The MSM might even resort to assisting terrorists in murdering Iraqis so as to blame it on America; there is certainly no moral prohibition in the MSM world that stands in the way. And this might bring about a day when some future President is forced, by wartime necessity, to severely curtail the First Amendment. And if that day comes, we’ll all be sorry. So let’s don’t let these Newsweek soothsayers blow it for everyone. Throw the book at them, send a message to the rest of the MSM, and we can leave free speech alone for the vast majority who use it responsibly.
Comment by Cousin Dave — 5/16/2005 @ 9:41 am
[…] of forming a rational response that doesn’t include, well, killing and destruction. Austin Bay has more, as does Dean Esmay. Also, see Joe Gandelman, Instapundit, James Joyner, Malkin, a […]
Pingback by Gay Orbit » Rethinking the Newsweek Story — 5/16/2005 @ 9:58 am
Newsweek Continued The left is starting to line up in support of Newsweek and it’s “responsible” act of saying they were wrong to run a story about the desecration of the Qur’an. Take for example this post at the Huffington Post (they’re only a week old and alrea…
Trackback by Iowa Voice — 5/16/2005 @ 10:03 am
Did Newsweek shout fire in a crowded theater? Austin Bay describes it as The Press’ Abu Ghraib. Michelle Malkin as “Newsweek Lied. People Died. She quotes the London TImes story “At least nine people were killed yesterday as a wave of anti-American demonstrations swept the Islamic world from th…
Trackback by Alex Jacobson — 5/16/2005 @ 10:18 am
Next Newsweek Headline: American Corporation kill 14 Muslims, US Government does nothing.
Comment by Jon Burrows — 5/16/2005 @ 10:19 am
For Shame, Newsweek Newsweek, a publication I’ve largely ignored for years, has published a false story about US forces at Gitmo “desecrating the Koran”. As expected, it has blown up. And understandably so, such innaccuracy is dangerous. Doubly so with respect to US…
Trackback by The One-Handed Economist — 5/16/2005 @ 10:21 am
“So why do these journalists, trained to sift evidence, to probe sources, to listen beyond the static of rumor: why do they only do so in one direction, so to speak? Yes, I know that’s a self-answering question, at least in part, but it is worth pondering nonetheless…” I used to belong to a wargaming club. Through experience I could easily discern from player’s mistakes who did not know the rules, who were simply bad players, and who was cheating his butt off. All three would make frequent mistakes. The first because he was ignorant of the rules, the second because he was not skilled in using those rules, and the third because intentional ‘mistakes’ was a way to win. The important difference between the three was that unlike the first two, all of the cheater’s mistakes favored him. If they did not, it would not help him achieve his ends. Using that same principle here, once you determine that all the ‘mistakes’ go one way, you can not only determine that they are not mistakes, but also what the cheater is trying to accomplish.
Comment by Captain Wrath — 5/16/2005 @ 10:23 am
Be wary concerning reports regarding DynCorp. While I despise Newsweek and Isikoff, that does not translate as unwavering support for Dyncorp. Following the logic of the fruit of the poisoned tree, there is something profoundly wrong with Dyncorp - because of Herbert Winokur. While I am not Catherine Austin Fitts on the warpath for his scalp, I must respect Sherlock Holme’s observation that “…once is happenstance, twice is coincidence but three times is enemy action…” Where Winokur passes, tragedy soon blosssoms. Herbert was the head of ENRON’s Finance Committee. But he alone skated, even though $60 billion is missing. Herbert is head of the Harvard Endowment Fund which is deeply involved in allegations of HUD’s missing $59 billion. Herbert is lead investor and Board member of DYNCORP, which is the central focus of child sex rings, criminally abusive prison management, and RICO federal investigations (which has no bearing on ex-members of our military who while being the best of the best and have my undying admiration and thanks may nevertheless find themselves working for the devil). And it is my opinion that when the facts of Abu-Ghraib some day emerge, you will find a DYNCORP “op” at the bottom of it all, for Abu-Ghraib is in every way but name identical to DYNCORP involvement in Bosnian prison horrors. Which says “set-up” to me. Meant to create the killing ground issue for Democrats to attempt the impeachment of GWB. Be exceedingly wary of anything relative to DYNCORP. Like the shape-shifting serpent of Genesis 3:1 - the naw’chash - just when you think you understand what Pug Winokur has wrought, DYNCORP slides away only to reappear elsewhere.
Comment by Jack MacKenzie — 5/16/2005 @ 10:33 am
The Press’ Abu Ghraib: Newsweek Apologizes, But Only After Inflicting Serious Damage to USA Interests Austin Bay Blog comments on the serious damage done to the interests of the United States and to its allies fighting worldwide terrorism, beginning with these comments: History may see Newsweek’s fatal “Koran flushing” story as the US press’ Abu…
Trackback by Anchor Rising — 5/16/2005 @ 10:33 am
You missed an earlier Arab News article in which the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) and the Muslim World League (WML)–both major pan-Islamic groups–called for “investigation” of the charges, not “lynching”. I reported on it in my post Sacred Texts on my blog Crossroads Arabia.
Comment by John Burgess — 5/16/2005 @ 10:34 am
to respond to post #2 way back when…. Had the uh, opportunity to work in Saudi Arabia a few years back, and made the unfortunate error of bringing a floppy disk in my computer bag- when this was found by the uh, genial customs official at the airport, he and his buddies made a great show of huddling over this evidence, then ominously gesturing me into a special office for further discussion as to the nefarious contents of said floppy disk. (by Allah, this disk might have had western style pornography, plans for a still, or worst of all stuff about Christianity on it!) Just as the conversation was warming up, my blasphemous transgression was trumped by some poor woman on our flight who had been nabbed with a BIBLE in her baggage. That’s right, a BIBLE, that ultimate tool of decadent subversion. I was summarily dismissed, as the goon squad made a beeline for her- I’ve little doubt her bible was confiscated and “flushed”, and can only imagine how uh, friendly her chat was.
Comment by 2BrixShy — 5/16/2005 @ 10:39 am
Newsweek Jumps the Shark Get it yet? Muslims take desecration of their holy books as personal insults and their imams view such desecration as killing offenses. It doesn’t matter if you, the ivory tower liberal or newsie leftie sitting in your plush office comfortable with …
Trackback by The Key Monk — 5/16/2005 @ 10:40 am
Help Bury The Dead My suggestion to the editors of Newsweek is that they get their asses on the first available flight to Afghanistan with some shovels and help bury the dead from the riots that they caused! Instead they seem happy enough to say “Whoops. Our bad.”
Trackback by The World According to Nick — 5/16/2005 @ 10:40 am
A journalist has responsibilities to the truth and to the public interest. He or she must make every possible endeavour to ensure that his/her stories are true. The more serious the consequences of publishing the story the greater the obligation to ensure that the evidence is solid. Even then, if the likely consequences of publishing the story are far more grave than the matters it describes the public interest would be best served by not publishing at all. That doesn’t mean ignoring a potential abuse, because whatever evidence the journalist has can be brought to the attention of the proper authorities and the threat of publication used to ensure that they take it seriously. But to publish such incendiary material without proper evidence is to shout “fire” in a crowded theatre on the basis of gossip. If NewsWeek’s staff didn’t realise what they were doing then they are incompetent. If they did, they are devoid of ethics. This is more serious than RatherGate or Eason Jordan’s notorious comments, because it’s already got people killed. A boycott of NewsWeek would be the least that they deserve. Regarding the points in comment 16, can anyone with legal knowledge clarify just how far collusion between American journalists and enemy combatants would have to go before it became criminal? Also, the example given seems rather an artificial one because a journalist embedded with enemy forces would in practice have little opportunity to issue a warning to US forces that were about to be attacked, and would probably be killed by the enemy for attempting it. However, as a test of principle it does raise the question of what exactly the journalist would be providing that justified endangering the lives of American soldiers. Close-up battle footage doesn’t help us understand why a war is being fought, or what the rights and wrongs are. It reminds us that war is terrible and brutal, but all informed people know that already and you don’t need to embed with the enemy to get footage illustrating that point. It wouldn’t even reveal anything useful about the enemy’s point of view, since they will inevitably control what the journalist is allowed to film and ensure that embeds only hear the party line from their soldiers. All it would provide is sensational images to grab the public’s attention and boost TV ratings or sell newspapers. It would provide revenue and publicity for the news outlet that got the pictures, and advance the careers of the journalists involved, but it wouldn’t serve any higher purpose. Wallace and Jennings seemed to be assuming that the mere act of reporting was inherently worthy, and thus failing to recognise any distinction between the public interest and their self-interest. Perhaps that’s what happened at NewsWeek.
Comment by Andrew Zalotocky — 5/16/2005 @ 10:49 am
[ED NOTE: Jaffe– way too many links. The automatic editor blocks any comment with more than three links (though I’ve seen four links slip through). Good comment. Thanks for adding background. I’m glad I saw your comment in the “no post” bin. Isikoff deserves fair treatment. I don’t need to say this, but I will– at a personal level I feel very sorry for him. The man is smart, intelligent, and an able reporter. I still think the Vietnam/Watergate template and “paper journalism” template points hold.] ‘ Now thanks to one Bush-hating reporter (google Isikoff if you doubt his intentions,) ‘ Well, I googled Michael Isikoff. I’ve no doubt this will change by tomorrow, but here’s the 2nd item (the 1st is just a bio) ‘http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/ The title is “More Distortions From Michael Moore”, and is criticizing Moore for Fahreneit 911. The 3rd and 4th items are just bio style pieces. The 5th is Michael Moore firing back: http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/smackdown/index.php?id=6 “Michael Isikoff and Newsweek Magazine Deceive the Public About Fahrenheit 9/11″ The sixth is an article from a left-wing site attacking him violently for his role in uncovering the Monica Lewinsky scandal, calling him a lackey of Starr. The 7th is an article describting how he broke the Lewinsky scandal, how the Washington Post refused to run his story and he took it to Newsweek. The 10th is a book review from http://slate.msn.com/id/2083259/ that says ‘Sid Blumenthal rearranges facts and besmirches the character of his fellow journalists. And he wonders why people dislike him.’ attacking Sid Blumenthal’s book defending Clinton. The other links are all bios, with the exception of the 9th http://www.kafka.com/politics/2005/01/michael-isikoff-on-death-squads.php which is an article by a left-winger that links to a Newsweek article about Special Forces squads being trained in Iraq. However, Isikoff did not write the Newsweek article and is not credited there at all. I also googled just Isikoff, and I get half a dozen articles from left-wingers attacking him. So other than possibly the link from the 9th article (which Isikoff) didn’t write, one could conclude quite easily that Isikoff is a heck of a lot more anti-Clinton than anything else.
Comment by Jaffe — 5/16/2005 @ 10:56 am
It seems Newsweek might be sorry only because they were caught with a bad story that seems intended to make the United States of America look bad. It would be irresponsible to go into their motivations, but I would hope that the DOD’s press people keep this sort of thing in mind in future dealings with Newsweek and sister publications.
Comment by Harold C. Hutchison — 5/16/2005 @ 10:58 am
“Yes, the myth of the Noble Savage recast”
Trackback by sisu — 5/16/2005 @ 11:01 am
Wouldn’t you just love to see the Newsweek guys as the perps on the next episode of Law and Order? This story has everything you need: large, unaccountable, evil corporation; reckless disregard; murdered victims.
Comment by Scott Renner — 5/16/2005 @ 11:18 am
And the Credibility Toilet Goes, “Swirl Swirl Swirl” Reaction to the Newsweek debacle continues to grow. To me it seems at least as big as the fake document scandal, and for the same reasons. You’d think the media would’ve learned from their idol how to stop this…
Trackback by amcgltd — 5/16/2005 @ 11:44 am
But what price? I suggest the same price the Literary Digest paid; all they did was run a biased poll.
Comment by ErnieG — 5/16/2005 @ 11:44 am
Newsweek funks it It appears that Newsweek made a tragically stupid mistake when it published a story on May 9th that reported that guards at Guantánamo Bay had desecrated the Koran. It turns out the report was based on a single, unnamed government…
Trackback by The New Commonplace — 5/16/2005 @ 11:45 am
Rip & Read Blogger Podcast for 2005-05-16 Here’s what I Ripped and Read in my Podcast today: Austin Bay describes as the Press’s Abu Graib. Here’s how he describes it on his blog: History may see Newsweek’s fatal “Koran flushing” story as the US press’ Abu Ghra…
Trackback by Rip & Read Blogger Podcast — 5/16/2005 @ 11:51 am
Comment by wellbasically — 5/16/2005 @ 11:57 am
In law, there is the concept of “seditious libel”. True, we are not in a “declared war” (having no State enemy), but after 9/11 it’s war we are in. In 1974, Attorney General Mitchell chose not to proscecute Lt. John Kerry, a Naval officer purportedly on “active service” (actually cashiered), whose statements not only gave “aid and comfort” to field enemies, but were specifically designed to “aid and abet” their cause against his country’s interests. Of course it was treason; but then as now, Mitchell bowed to Leftist political threats as Gonzales most certainly will in this Newsweek affair today. The Alien and Sedition Act of 1790s; A. Mitchell Palmer’s “Red Scare” crusdade in 1920s; a certain “chilling effect” of Alger Hiss, the Rosenbergs et.al. that Dems ever since have claimed were “witch hunts”– nothing has changed. There are right and wrong ways to accomplish anything… but in a democracy, when actual wartime sedition becomes a mere debating point, we risk the foundations of freedoms by turning a blind eye.
Comment by John Blake — 5/16/2005 @ 12:03 pm
Worry about the effect on the “war effort” is now passe, for some. Years ago, when the country when to war, the country when to war. It was everybodies war, so, if you believed in it or not, you found a way to help end it politically, militarily and/or diplomatically. Somewhere around the time of the first Gulf War, the notion sprang up with fervor that it was now possible to “opt out†of a war. It was “Bush’s War†not mine. I saw this again when the WTC was struck .. the war of terrorism is not “my war†came from places like NPR and was not challenged. Once you “opt out,†it is pretty darn easy to think that whatever you do is done as a “neutral.†Just after 9/11, Rather and Jennings in a panel discussion on journals “embedding†with the enemy said that they would cover the story of the enemy attacking US forces before trying to warn them of an impending attack. That position is easy to take when your a “neutral.†Newsweek has taken their “oath to neutrality†while blindly tossing about “anonymously sourced†accusations with no need to worry about the “war effort†because it is simply “not their war.†It stands to reason. But “opting out†is not a choice. The underlining premise that you can “opt out†of a war is most obvious fallacious when you consider that there were some 3000 folks would probably have liked to “opt out†on the “war on terror†on the morning of 9/11/01, but were not given that choice.
Comment by Neo — 5/16/2005 @ 12:15 pm
Newsweek Roundup Not too much to add to the Newsweek “apology” over their bogus “Koran flushing” story. It’s really an old story with different details - MSM jumps to biased conclusion about story that makes U.S. military look bad, rushes to press with sketchy ev…
Trackback by The Unalienable Right — 5/16/2005 @ 12:35 pm
Responsible reporting The recent news on Newsweek’s troubles are a sign yet again of the importance of responsible reporting by the media. The first time I considered this concept was over the embedded reported who videotaped a soldier killing an enemy combatant spra…
Trackback by One Fine Jay — 5/16/2005 @ 12:35 pm
Why do the Afghanis get it and you warguys don’t??? “Newsweek is back-tracking but it’s not just their report,” said Ghaffar Aziz, a top official of the Jamaat-e-Islami party. “All innocent people released from U.S. custody have said on the record that there was desecration of the Koran. http://reuters.myway.com/article/20050516/2005-05-16T125637Z_01_ISL165639_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-RELIGION-AFGHAN-PAKISTAN-DC.html The toilet incident was reported in the Washington Post in a 2003 interview with a former detainee from Afghanistan: “Ehsannullah, 29, said American soldiers who initially questioned him in Kandahar before shipping him to Guantanamo hit him and taunted him by dumping the Koran in a toilet. ‘It was a very bad situation for us,’ said Ehsannullah, who comes from the home region of the Taliban leader, Mohammad Omar. ‘We cried so much and shouted, “Please do not do that to the Holy Koran.”‘ (Marc Kaufman and April Witt, “Out of Legal Limbo, Some Tell of Mistreatment,” Washington Post, March 26, 2003.) http://home.btclick.com/caab/Guantanamo.htm
Comment by wellbasically — 5/16/2005 @ 12:38 pm
Here is why you guys don’t get it. The rioting shows that: 1. The US policy towards the Muslim world is in ruins. 2. The “Arab street” eventually does go on a rampage. 3. The US has a camp dedicated to Orwellian mental torture. The riots didn’t happen because of some story in Newsweek, they happened because of a screwed up policy of killing, violence and humiliation that you war guys backed 100% and you guys thought would work to put Muslims in their place. By focussing on the Isikoff story, you guys get to ignore the collapse of your world.
Comment by wellbasically — 5/16/2005 @ 1:01 pm
I just had the opportunity to see your interview on MSNBC and I think you were on point. I cannot begin to tell you how angry I am about this article and horrific results based on the article being read to those who already dislike us. Newsweek knew, the question, what will the country demand of the news group to do, if they want to continue to publish the news. Lastly it put’s all our service members at risk, to include my beloved. How dare they do this without checking their source. No excuses. This was a not a life/death situation. They had time check and double check. Yet, they wanted it first, to hell with the consequences. It is unacceptable journalism.
Comment by Michele Del Favero — 5/16/2005 @ 1:01 pm
wellbasically, OBL has told his people to lie about abuses if caught. You can read it here: http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/trainingmanual.htm In addition, the rioting does not show that US policy is in ruins nor that the US has a camp dedicated to Orwellian torture. It is interesting how you take the word of terrorists at face value. The rioting didn’t happen because of US policy. It happened because some people have been conditioned since childhood to find offense at a violation of the Koran and that others will exploit it to maximal effect. Our world is not collapsing despite your wishful thinking.
Comment by Junkyard God — 5/16/2005 @ 1:12 pm
wellbasically, What’s your source for the allegations in your post (#113), Amnesty International?
Comment by Harold C. Hutchison — 5/16/2005 @ 1:19 pm
Newsweek’s failure to ’second source’ CONFIRM this story with such obvious ‘hot’ consequences is either a sign of blatant journalistic ineptitude and incompetence or a sign of a systemic bias to ‘believe the worst’ concerning the U.S military and this admistration.
Comment by Patrick Cimo — 5/16/2005 @ 1:19 pm
You right wingnuts are amazing. The view of the grains of sand within the little holes you have jammed your heads into must be truly lovely. You get your panties in a wad over the story Newsweek ran on the desecration of the Koran when the story has been in the press since Jan. 2005 and alleged in human rights reports as far back as Oct. 2004. You clowns ignore the fact that Abu Ghraib happened and that prisoner abuse is widespread due to the deaths of over 30 prisoners in US custody that are known. You wail like banshees that this Newsweek report has ruined US credibility and damaged our success in Afghanistan and caused 17 deaths. Conversely, you ignore the fact that the administration lied about the ties between Al Quaeda and Iraq. You ignore that they lied about WMDs in Iraq and started a war that has cost tens of thousands of lost lives and gruesome, grievous maimings and 300+ billion in taxpayer. You even ignore–just as the non-existant “liberal media” has ignored–the May 1, 2005 “smoking gun memo”–a leaked Downing Street memo from July 2002 from the British government which clearly says that the Bush administration was : 1. “C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” 2. “It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran.” 3. “Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD.” I really pity you wingnuts. The pressure in you folks’ heads from the cognitive dissonance must be nearing the point that your heads will soon explode and prevent you from overdosing on neocon koolaid.
Comment by WyldPirate — 5/16/2005 @ 1:32 pm
Good discussion here, left, right, center…all around. It’s what the blogosphere is meant to be. To all those who are quick to play the “attack the wingnuts” card re: reasons to go to war - you are completely missing the point of this story. It’s a journalistic failure. For the record, I let my Newsweek subscription lapse in August of 2004. http://newdave.com/index.php?p=253
Comment by Dave J. — 5/16/2005 @ 1:52 pm
Junkyard God wrote: OBL has told his people to lie about abuses if caught — yeah, but these people were released by the USA, so they obviously did nothing. Dave J wrote: It’s a journalistic failure — People don’t riot over a news story unless their lives are going down the toilet in general. Afghanistan is still a shithole years after we took over. Why riot now if the story has been banging around for a couple years?
Comment by wellbasically — 5/16/2005 @ 2:22 pm
“Here’s A Question…” In the New Criterion’s “Armavirumque” Weblog, Roger Kimball asks a rhetorical question:Why is it that all the stories you read in Time-Newsweek-The New York Times-The Washington Post-Etc. or see on CNN-The BBC-CBS-NBC-Etc., why is it that all their …
Trackback by Ed Driscoll.com — 5/16/2005 @ 2:30 pm
Dave J. sez: “To all those who are quick to play the “attack the wingnuts†card re: reasons to go to war - you are completely missing the point of this story. It’s a journalistic failure.” That assertion is hogwash, Dave J. The Philadelphia Inquire alleged the same thing on Jan. 20, 2005: “Some detainees complained of religious humiliation, saying guards had defaced their copies of the Koran and, in one case, had thrown it in a toilet, said Kristine Huskey, who interviewed clients late last month. Others said that pills were hidden in their food and that people came to their cells claiming to be their attorneys, to gain information.” There are multiple allegations of the same sort of “Koran desecretation” going back to last year from multiple human rights organizations. See Juan Coles’ gives evidence of the same sort of abuse today. He even alluded to a an email from an ex-officer that the same sort of “desecration” of the Bible was used in the US military’s Survival Escape Resistance and Evasion (SERE) training programs for US military pilots. Now I’ll grant you that the evidence from Newsweek is far from conclusive. However, given the cavalcade of abuse reports, it is certainly possible some 25-year old troopie has done something like this, especially when three star generals like Lt Gen Boykin is loon enough to say: “I KNEW that my God was bigger than his,” Lieutenant General William G. Boykin said of his Muslim opponent. “I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol.” If you call the use of an anonymous source in this Newsweek incident a journalistic failure, how can you not call all of the hundreds of anonymously sourced articles– as well as DIRECT LIES by the administration–regarding WMDs and ties between Iraq and Al Qaida as well as WMDs journalistic failure. This is another of the numerous distractions the White House has pulled every time their ass gets in hot water. The spin something that is minor in comparison to what they have done and turn their lackeys in right wing radio, Faux News loose and it’s off to the races. It happened with Richard Clarke, it happened with the Swift Boat vets, Rathergate and on and on. [
Comment by WyldPirate — 5/16/2005 @ 2:37 pm
Mission Accomplished: Newsweek Sullies America and Now Muslim Clerics Reject Their Apology Can there be any question why the banner atop this blog proclaims: “Uncredentialed and Unconcerned”? Who in their right mind wants credentials such as those touted by Newsweek? Taking a pass, thank you very much. This Word is being Heard…
Trackback by The Word Unheard — 5/16/2005 @ 3:50 pm
Desecration Newsweek most likely got it wrong, and people are being killed in Afghanistan. And lots of folks are angry - at Newsweek. As for me, I tend to agree with Michael Demmons that such ire is misdirected [emphasis in original]:…
Trackback by Jumping To Conclusions — 5/16/2005 @ 4:01 pm
One Sided Suspicion …
Trackback by Say Anything — 5/16/2005 @ 4:15 pm
Newsweek shouted “FIRE!” in a crowded theater of operations.
Comment by Ken Prescott — 5/16/2005 @ 4:28 pm
How Do You Retract 17 Deaths? Newsweek admits they were wrong… would they have done it without the influence of blogs? And is it enough?
Trackback by MarchDecember Daily — 5/16/2005 @ 4:38 pm
A point I haven’t seen mentioned is what Newsweek has done to its own people. What happens to its correspondents, stringers, etc. working in the Muslinm world when the full story emerges?
Comment by JR Dunn — 5/16/2005 @ 4:40 pm
Oddly enough your analysis reminds me of the Dixie Chicks and a bunch of other American entertainers who would go off to Europe and make silly comments to the local audience and come back surprised that they had raised a storm in the US. When will people realize that the audience is global. Drudge has been linking to insignificant trade-publications in unknown villages throughout the world (when the story is juicy) for over five years now. How could Newsweek possibly not know the world would get out?
Comment by rjschwarz — 5/16/2005 @ 4:44 pm
As a corporate entity, Newsweek should be prosecuted for publishing seditious libel; convicted prima facie, and subjected to heavy fines. Ishikoff and his entire staff should be fired, personally fined, made to understand that the retro-Left mindset in which they revel is a murderous incitement to America’s enemies in wartime. As for the Afghan mullahs, even post-Taliban leading their minions to darkness and to death, it is past time for us to discount every rationalization they offer for hatred of their liberators. When they reciprocate by honoring America’s, Christians’, and (say) Bamiyan Buddhists’ Holy Writings and professions of faith, then and only then will any of us (my name is Legion) pay them more heed than we would a desert adder coiled to strike before we seize it, slam it down, and snap its head off. The West slumbers. Islam with its plagiarizing Prophet better hope it does not stir awake.
Comment by John Blake — 5/16/2005 @ 4:54 pm
Finally Closing the Barn Door Newsweek finally retracted their bogus story about a Koran-flushing that never happened. Too little, too late. I’m looking forward to jail time for these traitorous liars. If they are so opposed to freedom and democracy, they can start by giving
Trackback by I Am, Therefore I Think — 5/16/2005 @ 5:18 pm
Agree wholeheartedly with Andrew Zalotocky’s comments. Personally believe criminal action should be objectively considered. Where would such an action best be undertaken in order to have credibility?
Comment by Bud — 5/16/2005 @ 5:37 pm
Newsweek Retracts Story Newsweek has now retracted a false story that has led to at least 14 deaths. Now it is time for Newsweek to release the name of the source that gave them the false information and to fire the reporters and…
Trackback by Pete The Elder — 5/16/2005 @ 5:44 pm
Newsweek “regrets that we got any part of our story wrong”? This is pure CYA material, too little too late. It should be investigated as accessory to starting a riot or murder. Maybe the U.S. District Attorney, Elliot Spitzer, should investigate. He seems motivated to find truth. The sources should be named. Newsweek should be required to give this source to the FBI immediately with none of the usual “protecting your sources”. This is one of the most serious breaches of fact, ethics and criminal behavior in a long time. I hope the perps are prosecuted, convicted and jailed. This is not only a crime, it deeply affects our national security.
Comment by John White — 5/16/2005 @ 5:51 pm
"Very Unfortunate." Indeed, Condi. Fine summary of Toiletgate at Austin Bay. Iowahawk does the NYT.The diseases of the Chavez revolution.Dr. Bob on the "theocracy" propaganda. An excellent piece. A sample:I’m an optimist by nature–but
Trackback by Maggie's Farm — 5/16/2005 @ 5:53 pm
What if the allegations are true?
Comment by Contrarian — 5/16/2005 @ 7:46 pm
[…] why the White House is justified in this response, one only needs to read this comment on Austin Bay’s blog: I’m on my way back to Kabul, as I typically do every summer, b […]
Pingback by RightPundit » Blog Archive » White House Keeps Up the Heat on Newsweek — 5/16/2005 @ 8:26 pm
Hey I’m all for bashing Newsweek with truck-sized cinder blocks. And I might have missed it, but has anybody noticed that the monkey-show witch-doctor clerics in Afghanistan are probably the same, meaning not allied but the very people, who supported the destruction of the Bamiyan Bhudda statues in Afghanistan?
Comment by Buffalo Bill — 5/16/2005 @ 10:44 pm
“Only the jihad is constant”
Trackback by sisu — 5/17/2005 @ 8:39 am
ARegan asked (Comment 1):
No, I do to. Scrappleface also gets it:
THE SAUDS MUST BE DESTROYED!
Comment by Stephen M. St. Onge — 5/17/2005 @ 9:59 am
Newsweek Funks It UPDATE 5.17.2005: This morning, Mark Whittaker, Newsweek’s Editor, retracted Michael Isikoff’s report that the guards at Guantanamo Bay desecrated the Koran. He remains mulish on the subject, however: he says retraction was the word people needed to …
Trackback by The New Commonplace — 5/17/2005 @ 11:15 am
Newsweek Funks It UPDATE 5.17.2005: This morning, Mark Whittaker, Newsweek’s Editor, retracted Michael Isikoff’s report that the guards at Guantanamo Bay desecrated the Koran. He remains mulish on the subject, however: he says retraction was the word people needed to …
Trackback by The New Commonplace — 5/17/2005 @ 11:23 am
1) Note that Muslim extremists care more about the Koran than human life 2) Toilet-based insult to the Koran appears to be worse than burning to them. 3) we are in a fight-to-the-death with certain Muslim-extremist-groups. Combine the above: A private citizen should anonymously make the following advertisement where it is certain to be seen broadly: Dear Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hez’bo’allah, et al., If a nuclear, biological or chemical attack of whatever scale is executed against any Western country, we (a non-governmental-corporation) will start producing toilet-paper printed with the Koran in invisible ink made from pig-fat to be distributed secretly in muslim countries, muslim ghettoes, and broadly throughout the West. You will not know which toilet-paper has been modified but we will be certain to distribute it widely, worldwide, so the entire planet gets to flush the Koran daily. By the way, any attempt at retaliation will cause us to release the Koran Toilet Seat and to seed clouds over muslim countries with pig-products or pig-output. You really don’t want to imagine what our third level of escalation is. yours truly, hoping for peace, the rememberers of 9/11
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Pingback by tillnet: a journalist's notebook » Newsweek: We got it wrong, sorry for all the carnage — 5/23/2005 @ 9:36 am
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Pingback by The Anchoress » Iraq: Bloggers “premature,” press “focused” — 11/28/2006 @ 3:35 pm
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